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Hello sports friends,

A few days ago I was with a sports friend and he was "inspecting" a pigeon.
Suddenly he pushed his eyelid up a little and spoke of the wonderful cultivation ring. I had never lifted the eyelid of one of my pigeons to see something special.

Who can explain to me exactly what this is all about?

Many Thanks

Hello Klaus,

this ominous breeding ring is also called "black sickle" or "breeding line". It is a sometimes more or less pronounced, sometimes non-existent black line that you can see when you push your upper eyelid up a little.

I have 2 sport friends for whom this breeding line must be present in a pigeon in order for it to be a "breeding pigeon". They breed under this criterion and are successful with it.

However, I was also with my friend Franz Steffl and had a. the parent bird "Dunkler Eijerkamp" in hand. Franz asked me what I was looking for when I lifted my eyelid, of course in the belief that such an outstanding pigeon must also have this great breeding line ... When asked about the breeding line, Franz just laughed and said "forget it". The bird does not have that and still inherits outstandingly. I have a daughter from him and she has brought top youngsters for me this year.

So it's all a question of "belief" I think ... :).

greeting
Micha

Hello Micha,

Thank you for your prompt reply. You write about Franz Josef that he was just as amazed as I was when my colleague pushed his eyelid up.

Here in the forum there was a topic about eye theory and Franz Josef described how sports friend Hofmann judged his pigeons. After the visit, he reported that he wanted to test whether there was really something to it. The topic was here in the forum in 2002. After a few years, Franz Josef wanted to report on his experiences. But I haven't found anything about that.

Does anyone know what?

@FranzJosef, did you write something about that again?

Hello Klaus
here you can see some beautiful eyes. click on the eye bank!

http://www.j-h-brieftauben-augenzeichen.de/

Kind regards

Hello Klaus .--- My answer to your question is. Forget the nonsense. There is nothing to it. Only for those who earn money with it. Couples good to good, and make sure that the pigeons to be mated have a shine in their eyes you will have done everything right .--- Greetings --- Klaus

Hello Klaus,

no, no ... Franz was not surprised. Of course he knew the "black sickle", but he found out for himself that the presence of the same is completely irrelevant for a good breeding pigeon. There is more to it. There are some traits that are looked for, and everyone looks for something different:

- Pigmentation of the iris, grooves in the iris
- Value ring
- Presence of any speed and condition lines in the value ring (improves me if I write something wrong ..)
- Expression of the muscles
- Vibrate the muscles
- Exactness of the pulse (to be felt on the upper arm of the pigeon)
- physique of the pigeon (very important for me)
- Move
- pool closure
- behavior of the pigeon
- silky plumage
- black sickle
- Formation and ventilation of the flight feathers
- and and and...

I myself am convinced that there is something to the eye theory. Only that will not be the panacea, but a good help in breeding. A lot of things have to go well with a good pigeon in order for it to be a really good pigeon. And that can only be determined by breeding the pigeon (if possible with several good partners) and then testing the offspring on the journey. The truth is in the basket and you can't look the pigeons in the head (5, - € for the phrase pig;)).

In this sense, continue to fly well
Micha

Hello Klaus!

Carrier pigeons are among the eye animals.
With their sense organ it is possible for them to grasp a certain situation in the environment.
This sensory organ is connected to the nervous system, which in turn has contact with certain centers in the brain.
If you take a pigeon in your hand, your gaze is usually directed towards this sense organ.
One looks very closely at the eye and reads signs of vitality and health from it.
There are two parts of the eye that say something characteristic.
These are the intensity and luster of the coloring and the black ring that surrounds the outer part of the pupil (not a sickle).
This black ring becomes visible when the eyelid is pulled back.
You should make sure that it shows an intense black and clear contours.
In summary, however, we can say that the eye is an essential part of the carrier pigeon.
The color of the eyes doesn't play too much of a role.
There are very good pigeons with all imaginable colors and structures.
The full color eye is preferred in the cultivation.
The eye of the carrier pigeon is referred to as the animal's soul.
A carrier pigeon must have an intelligent expression and should not have an overly large pupil and should have a fully rimmed closed eye.
The gaze should be directed towards the beak, i.e. the pupil should be directed as far forward as possible.
One can speak of a certain "silver look" here.
One should be able to feel life in the eye itself.
The pupil should always be in motion and be able to determine all reactions quickly.

Kind regards
cash

Hello Klaus!

The orientation of the birds takes place with the help of the magnetic fields of our earth. In many studies it is pointed out that the organ that uses the magnetic fields in birds is located in the eye.
Perhaps a hint towards the eye for carrier pigeons?

mfg westi

Hi cash!

I like your contribution.

"The eye is the mirror of the soul!"

The soul is pure energy.

The body is the temple of the soul.

Since the soul far exceeds the body in volume, it is surrounded by an energy field.

This energy field is the aura.

The aura is my clue that tells me a lot about a pigeon.
(I am aura-feeling and very receptive to certain energies)

I've always done well with it.

But for some this is now going too paranormal again.

However, I would like to measure myself against the best classifiers / eye theorists to see who gets the better hit rate.

Eye theory versus aura theory, so to speak. ;)

I think it would be very difficult for them. :-)

Kind regards

Hello sports friends,

Thank you very much for your contributions. I also think it's good that the topic is not used as an opportunity to have heated discussions for and against, you know I don't like that.

I also looked at the pictures in the eye database, but they are so different from the eyes of my pigeons due to the lighting and magnification. Is there a photo on which the cultivation ring can be clearly seen? My colleague saw it without a lamp or a magnifying glass, he thinks at least 80% of it is there.

Hello,

you can't read anything on the eye.
That was the way it was, that is the way it is and it will stay that way.
Point.

Regards - Jörg

In the pictures you can't even see the value ring you mentioned in the first post. Or am I wrong.

you think you mean the black line that is present in some pigeons and that you can only see when you push the upper eyelid upwards.

Hello,

you can't read anything from the eye.
It was like that, it is like that and it will stay like that.
Point.

Regards - Jörg

Hello Jörg
what you write is just not true !! that’s that !!: 90:

Kind regards

Hello Dieter,

one can (also) see by the eye whether the pigeon is healthy.
But trying to draw conclusions about inner talents and abilities is not possible. That's my 100% opinion.
Then why don't all the Bundesliga managers buy their stars?
with the eye loupe? That would be the easiest.
But each his own.
However, I will not justify myself for having the courage to use my mind.
But it doesn't matter - maybe I shouldn't have commented on it at all.
I always think it's a shame when the eye-catcher is spread again.
I believe more in the story with the aura of Raphael.

No offense.

Regards - Jörg

you can already look to the eyes. it is not for nothing that most breeding cups have strong, expressive eyes. clearly one cannot rely on it. it is important how is the overall impression of the pigeon.

you are welcome to express your opinion. because everyone should do that, but no one should answer other than crap. is now not aimed at anyone personally.

Hello Jörg
i want to comment on this topic one last time, otherwise the discussion will not end. go to the steffls homepage and look at the eyes of their breeding pigeons. if you still think you can't see anything in their eyes, yes then ............: rolleyes:

Kind regards

Hi Dieter!

Logically, the eye plays a role.

But the structure is of secondary importance to me.

Intuition is required here, less the analysis of any eye structure.

Of course, that's just one opinion of many.

The Steffl pigeons are awesome.

I fell in love with a boy (auction).

Let's see what the price barometer will show in 4 days. :-)

Raffael

Hello Dieter,

I looked at the eye pictures of the breeding pigeons and they are really expressive, I absolutely agree with you. The eye images are also created using a special technique and differ from the "normal" eye images.
I also looked in the eye database, also very nice photos, but I have not yet found the breeding ring clearly anywhere.

Whether you believe in the eye theory or not is an open question, but all really good pigeons that I was allowed to pick up had very expressive eyes.

Cash also wrote his contribution to this.

hello sports friends
just for fun: if i were to bid on the steffl boys, it would be 2011 for breeding and 2121 for travel .;) you can certainly recognize my preferences.

Kind regards

Hello Dieter,

I don't find any youngsters on the Steffls homepage. Do you have the link?

Hello Klaus
the boys are in the auction !!!!!!!: D

http://www.pigeon-auction.de/catalog.asp?catid=9243

Kind regards

hello sports friends
just for fun: if i were to bid on the steffl boys, it would be 2011 for breeding and 2121 for travel .;) you can definitely recognize my preferences.

Kind regards

Hello Dieter,

the bird 2010 with a red to dark red glass eye and the female 2121 with a fiery colored eye. "Did you think of a mating?"

The bird, lightly hammered, is rather a bit flatter in body, just the way I like it. The flight feathers reach far to the Schanzspitze and that is good for a young pigeon! The tail feathers are dark to the end - good too! The white color of the outer tail feathers goes to the dark of the tail tips! I also like the shape of the head.

The female, spotted blue, is quite small but keeled deeper. With her, too, the flight feathers are exactly the right length! The tail feathers are also dark at the ends. In the head shape, both are very similar.

Both have a nice value ring, an impressive retaining ring and both have no white toes. I can see that from the pictures. No more and no less! Is that enough?: Rolleyes:;)

best regards
horst

PS. However, I still don't know exactly what Klaus means with this breeding ring. Is it maybe the black sickle in the white of the eye above the directly visible eye?

hello horst
you scare me;). I should know if we had the same teacher, right? but I meant the 2011.

Kind regards

hello horst
you scare me;). I should know if we had the same teacher, right? but I meant the 2011.

Kind regards

Sure Dieter, I also meant 2011 and not 2010 as I wrote! A typo from me. I just didn't pay attention to the sex and thought it was a bird. Is it a female?: Rolleyes:

best regards
horst

hello horst
I think you are right, it is a bird.I paid too much attention to the eye.so well, let's mate them !!: D: D

Kind regards

Hello Dieter, hello Horst,

I think it's great what you can see in one photo. All attention.
But now help me with the cultivation ring ....................

Hello Dieter, hello Horst,

I think it's great what you can see in one photo. All attention.
But now help me with the cultivation ring ....................

Man Klaus,

I wrote that I don't know what you mean. But: "Why don't you just ask the sports fan you saw this with and then tell us the answer?" That's the most normal thing ever!

Best regards
horst

Good evening everyone.

I do not want to speak out for or against these theories, but I believe that the ring on the eye was not meant here, but the one on the eyelid.
Pigeons have two eyelids (on each eye!) And by lifting the outer eyelid (as far as I know, they only close it when sleeping) you can see the very thin inner eyelid (which is used to "wink" to moisten the eye). Some people like to see the dark border there.
So much for me.

Beautiful evening
Greeting 351

Hello Klaus
I went looking for you especially. Take a look here:

http://www.albertaclassic.com/eyes/barkel.php

http://www.albertaclassic.com/eyes/eyesign.php

http://www.tmakowecki.com/SCEYES.shtml
Kind regards

another link
http://www.geocities.com/wt123456/index.html

Hello Dieter,

I think the first link is talking about the "breeding circle" and that is exactly the area my colleague has looked at.

He would have shown me and explained it to me in more detail right away, but I "fool" had once again forgotten my glasses and so I couldn't see anything in it.

I also received information material by email, and I could see a lot there too.

My heartfelt thanks to everyone who contributed to making me a little "smarter" about pigeons.

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